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New to the forum here, so apologies if I've missed a thread on this in the past.
Just returned from my first foray to Las Vegas in the past five years. A great time was had, but I was really disappointed to see the proliferance of 6:5 games at low stakes games. We usually play reds, anywhere from $5 minimum up to $15, if we're feeling it.
We had a tough time finding good games; the Wizard's blackjack survey was a great reference. We ended up at El Cortez for most of our play, simply because they had the best game at our level.
My question: In the future, do you think low-stakes games (for the sake of this conversation, anything less than a green chip minimum) will eventually all move down to 6:5? I'd be really disappointed in that.
buzzpaff
It's the 5 that attracts the players, not the 6. Low limit players give up a lot as far as House edge goes in most gambling.
Penny slots versus Dollar slots, the rake on low limit poker, Roulette e games have $3 or $5 minimums per spin. no more
betting just $1 on a lucky number or red/black.
Labor cost, mortgage payments ,etc.
tupp

Roulette e games have $3 or $5 minimums per spin. no more betting just $1 on a lucky number or red/black.
Labor cost, mortgage payments ,etc.


There are $1-$2 table roulette (and craps) games in Hendertucky.
kewlj

New to the forum here, so apologies if I've missed a thread on this in the past.
Just returned from my first foray to Las Vegas in the past five years. A great time was had, but I was really disappointed to see the proliferance of 6:5 games at low stakes games. We usually play reds, anywhere from $5 minimum up to $15, if we're feeling it.
We had a tough time finding good games; the Wizard's blackjack survey was a great reference. We ended up at El Cortez for most of our play, simply because they had the best game at our level.
My question: In the future, do you think low-stakes games (for the sake of this conversation, anything less than a green chip minimum) will eventually all move down to 6:5? I'd be really disappointed in that.


Still plenty of decent low limit games in Vegas, but you have to get away from the strip and downtown tourists areas. Almost any of the 'local' type casinos (stations, boyd, terribles, cannery's) have decent $5 3-2 blackjack. M resort has very good $10 blackjack. On the strip circus circus still has $5, 3-2 blackjack, but the tables are full and the game moves very slow. Elsewhere on the strip, decent $10 games at Monte Carlo, and decent $10, $15 games can be found at many MGM properties, less Aria. Tropicana also has playable $10 games (3-2). Downtown, in addition to EC, the D resort has removed it's 6-5 games and replaced them with decent $5 and $10, 6 deck, 3-2 games. Golden nugget offers both 6-5 and 3-2 low limit games, often side by side, so be sure to look.
Nareed
ElCo has great BJ, from what I hear, at $5.
Craps is pretty good Downtown overall. 4 Queens usually has $5 with 5X and sometimes $3 with 5X. Binions is $5 with 5X most of the time. MSS is $5 with 20X. Elco has $5 with 10X and I hear they sometimes have the limit at $3.
But, yes, overall outside Downtown and the Strip you get even better deals. I've been told Jokers Wild has a $1 game with 10X odds.
buzzpaff
In 1962 table games were 70% of a casino's revenues and slots were 30%. Several years ago those numbers reversed and it may be be closer to 80/20 today.
Even more recent look at the past 20 years . All slots were coin droppers, no paper money inserts, no chairs in slot area, seldom a cocktail waitress, for free drinks or any drinks at all. Now you have TITO, vastly cutting expenses, such as hard count, wrapping coins,
change girl, etc. Lowest denomination then was 5 cents.
Now you have penny slots, graphics, and drawing for prized while playing slots. Beside stool some games like Wiz of Oz feature vibrating chairs. Several years ago I read that average bet on a penny machine was 73 cents. that was before most machines changed to having to play 25 or 30 cents before being eligible for the bonus.
Now look at the improvements in table games. LOL Used to have hardwood inlays to keep dollar slugs or chips in while playing.
Tables crammed together most places, 3rd base at one table against 1 st base at the next. Have seen thread bare felts even.
And forget those metal drink holders inserted thru holes in the tables. Now it's plastic drink holder showed under the cushion.
Blackjack pays 6.5 at low limits, dealers hitting soft 17, and non existent comps. Who else has seen some kid walk up to table and buy in for $20. Bet first hand, get split and DD, lose that. get 20 on next hand , dealer gets BJ ? And on weekend some places he will have to borrow $5 to play a hand.
The future for LIVE table games is dim indeed. On recent trip to Blackhawk saw empty roulette LIVE table after table with no players.
But e tables were full on a Wednesday night, no less !
pacomartin

My question: In the future, do you think low-stakes games (for the sake of this conversation, anything less than a green chip minimum) will eventually all move down to 6:5? I'd be really disappointed in that.

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Yes. At the very least there will be no $5 blackjack that is not 6:5.
Part of the reason is that the price of the video blackjack machines will just keep coming down, especially if more competition with Shufflemaster is developed. There will be no reason to hire a live person to operate 3:2 blackjack with $5 minimum.
MacauI think once Jackie Gaughan dies, even the El Cortez will go to 6:5 blackjack. I know that Jackie no longer owns the place, but out of deference they keep certain things to his standards.
wn52627
Thanks for all the replies. I appreciate it.
DonPedro
In my opinion there will always be low stakes games as most bettors are red chippers , why not get more people to gamble, and take their money too ? I am speaking on smaller casinos and card rooms, LV is a much different situation, although I cannot see them not wanting to get $$ from a low roller, each company has a high end house and a lower one, so they can get more $$ from more people.
BlackjackI have seen the 2 /3/5 dollar table packed continually !! And even a dollar table packed, yes a dollar !! I played it and gave every win to the dealer, why ? Not really sure, I had booked a very nice win and wanted to give a few chips back , I guess .
' If I had the money and the drinking capacity, I'd probably live at a blackjak table and let my life go to hell.' Don Pedro
MakingBook
Wheeling Island has $2 blackjack 3:2 ($0.25 ante); table max $4.

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StakesI go there to collect $$ from my players. Kinda funny when the guy at the $2 blackjack game slips $1,350 in my pocket.

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